Percentage of Monks Who Do Not Use Money

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Monk walking towards the world of the 5%

If you are a Westerner and new to Buddhism, you might be surprised to learn that most monks use and handle money. I have calculated that around 95% use money while 5% do not use money. The general consensus of those I have consulted say that about 2 or 3 percent do not use money but I used a 5% number to be safe. In this article I will give an itemized number crunch and explain how I came up with those numbers and you can see if 5% is safe and maybe double my original estimate.

The most important factors for determining the percentage of monks who use money and don’t use money is to look at the total Theravāda demographics per country and then calculate how many monasteries follow the rules pertaining to money. From there, one can give a general estimate and accounting for those monasteries plus a few well known larger monasteries. Lastly, we can take that total and divide it by the demographic total of monks and you get a percentage.

Population of Five Theravāda Countries

There are five countries which have Theravāda as the national religion. Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia, Sri Lanka and Laos. I have listed them in order of size. So there are around 300,000 in Myanmar, and 200,000 monks in Thailand. The numbers in the other three Theravāda countries are relatively small in comparison. Cambodia has 60,000 monks while Sri Lanka has 35,000 monks. Laos does not have much data available. Some Lao monks told me it was 3000 while some said 10,000. One thing is for sure, it has the smallest amount of monastics compared to the other Theravada countries. These numbers are floating numbers because many monks ordain and many monks disrobe. It is sort of like a very large apartment building. It might be filled with people, but the residents change all of the time. Over time, the monastic population has been decreasing. Myanmar once boasted 500,000 monks five or ten years ago. That number is now 300,000.1The numbers are mostly from the Internet. One monk told me the real number for Myanmar is only 120,000. However, we take the numbers from google or BingChat and use the higher number except for Thailand in which 200,000 was chosen. With Laos and Sri Lanka, we took the higher monastic claimed number. Data sources are usually said in the text. The numbers will give you a general idea and are not to be taken exactly.

Vinaya Monks Rarely Mix

I have a few friends who use money, but they are outside of my network of known monasteries. Generally speaking. Monks who do not touch money, do not live in monasteries where it is very common for monks to use money. Why? We have rules not only about money, but the items bought with money that monks have previously touched. Therefore, if it is not allowed for monks to have money, then the items bought with money are also not allowable. It is quite common for monks to donate a small amount of their money to their own monastery and if this is used for construction or maintenance, the monastery itself becomes unallowable for those who want to follow the rules. Because of this, those who follow the rules about money normally avoid monasteries which are not allowable or conducive to a life free from money. If one wants to live without money, he needs the support structure of a monastery that does not use money. It is possible to live without money anywhere, but it is not easy outside a monastery that supports this life. The list of allowable monasteries is very small and much easer to calculate.

Likewise, monks who use money usually avoid monasteries that follow the rules because they will be required to give up their unallowable items. Basically, they have to give away all of their money and items bought with their own money. This is why the monks usually do not mix.

Counting Monasteries and Monks

Because of this, the monks who need such allowable monasteries, easily know which monasteries do not use money. The list is exceedingly small and counting is an easy task. To gather a number of monks who do not use money, we simply need to estimate how many monks are in each money-free-monastery, add a fudge factor and divide it by the total population. You will see that my fudge factor is very generous, just in case I missed a few.

For example, Pa-Auk Forest Monastery has a high percentage of monks who follow the Vinaya, but places like Mahagandhayone and Panditarama have only a few monks who don’t use money. Similarly, Shwe Oo Min monasteries used to be Vinaya monasteries, but it is now difficult to find many monks who don’t use money there. Not only do we know which monasteries generally have reputations to have monks who are free from money, we also know the monasteries which have fallen out of grace in that area. Even when we count from places such as Pa-Auk, and say they have a “high percentage”, it is maybe only 50-60% that follow vinaya in their hearts and not just “while temporarily visiting the monastery”. The Dhammayut tradition once had a reputation as being a vinaya lineage, but now the number of reputable monasteries with monks who do not use money are a small proportion. Lastly, even The Galduwa Forest Tradition of Sri Lanka is estimated to have about one third of its monks that use money. How do we know.. ? We just know, but I usually compile my numbers from those inside those traditions or countries.

Myanmar Monasteries

In Myanmar, there are only a few large monasteries that are allowable to visit. Some monasteries are allowable to visit because they were built properly according to the rules, but since the passing of the chief monks of those places, they have been reduced to just a handful of monks, one or none. For instance Mahagandayone has 3,000 monks and was once a major place for monks to study and not touch money. Now there is just one monk living there out of 3000 that does not use money.2I know because that monk told me he was the only one. If there was another, they would know each other because it is a small world. Panditarama and Shwe Oo Min both have just a few monks each that do not use money. It is allowable to go there, because the buildings were built in proper ways according to the rules and they might still have a lay-committee-office structure. However, you would not want to live there long term and not many do. We are left with just a few other monasteries or franchises to work with. Pa-Auk would be the largest with about 3,000 monks total. There is Mahavihara with 1,600 monks. And Dhammavinaya with 200 monks. Let’s say my numbers are off a little bit. If so we can increase the number to 6,000 so nobody complains. It really does not matter. We are still left with 2 percent if we divide 6,000 by 300,000. Please also understand that not all monks as these monasteries are full-time money-free monks. Pa-Auk might have 60% that do not touch money on a regular basis because visitors are not required to fully disclose in detail what they actually did to “renounce” their unallowable items. Take note that Mahavihara, Varanasi Monastery, and Dhammavinaya, although independent, were started by Pa-Auk monks. Without The Venerable Pa-Auk Sayadawgyi, Vinaya would be pretty much dead in Myanmar.

Thailand Monasteries

In Thailand, it is difficult to judge the percentage of monks who strictly follow the Vinaya, but we can use the same tactic. When I asked a senior monastic who is connected to the Thai world, he also came up with 2 percent when I told him to pad it and then divide by 200,000. That means he estimated 4000.

Cambodia Monasteries

My friend from Cambodia, originally thought that 20% followed vinaya because he mostly associates with vinaya monasteries. When I told him the total was 60,000 monks his percentage dropped to a realistic 3%.

Sri Lankan Monasteries

In Sri Lanka, there are only around 15,000 monks by google and 35,000 by local opinion. There are roughly 1200 in Galduwa and 800 of those are assumed to be free from money full time.3This is padded. Mahamevnawa has a reputation by some to follow the rules on money, but they usually do not follow the detailed rules on money mentioned in the commentaries. There are 700 listed in Wikipedia and if we assume similar percentages with Galduwa we get 470 that follow that are in good standing. The total is 1270 and we can pad this number further just for arguments sake (or to avoid arguments). Therefore, we can pad that to 2000 out of 35,000, which gives us 5.71%. However, that enormous 5.71 percent is pretty much insignificant compared to the 500,000 monks from Myanmar and Thailand. Please know this is a highly padded estimate as well.

Lao Monasteries

There are little statistics available for Laos. Some Lao monks say there are 3000 monks while others say 10,000. They estimate a mere 300 monks and I’ll pad that to 500 total who follow the money rules full time. As stated above, the numbers are insignificant.

Other International Monasteries

Any other country outside these five countries would be relatively insignificant. Furthermore, most “immigrant monasteries” in the West or other parts of Asia are filled with intelligent monks, but also monks who usually use money. Being in the West, it is an opportunity to collect large amounts of money as viewed from an Asian perspective. Such monks rarely teach in English while abroad in English speaking countries.

Table of Totals

Country Total Monks Total Vinaya Monks Percentage
Myanmar 300000 6000 2.00%
Thailand 200000 4000 2.00%
Cambodia 60000 3000 5.00%
Sri Lanka 35000 2000 5.71%
Laos 10000 500 5.00%
Totals 605000 15500 2.56%

The Numbers

I wish the numbers were larger. You can see that 5% would be a padded number from the padded numbers used in the calculations above. However, using money is a very well known and accepted practice in Asia. The monks get money from the lay people, and giving money to monks is “cool and normal”. I have met lay people from Asian countries that have never met a monk that didn’t use money. They thought it was not possible. One time someone took a picture of me when I was in Bagan and it went viral on Facebook, solely because I didn’t use money and for no other reason.

Viral photo in 2015. About 47,000 likes

Keeping The Torch Alive

The monks do not hide that they accept money. They might even like this article because it emphasizes what is “normal” and the “modern monastic way”. This modern way is convenient for both the monks and also the lay people. While one might be quick to start blaming such modern monks, you would be no different from a vegetarian who hates meat eaters. If you do, you end up hating the world.

The general population of monks usually study and they teach the lay people. This keeps the torch flame of Buddhism alive. Not everyone started out as a vinaya monk either. Pa-Auk Sayadaw and Ajahn Chah have both used money in the early part of their lives before they took meditation practice seriously. They stopped because they knew that money prevents monks from being successful in meditation.4Antarāyika [Antarāya + ṇika] (a) be dangerous, (b) connected with danger, (c) deserved to get result that is danger, (d) Dhamma producing danger; Dhamma causing the danger of celestial abode, Nibbāna, Jhāna, Magga and Phala. Without these two very influential monks and their original teachers who probably used money, we might not have any vinaya monasteries left today. It was just normal back then and this article shows that it is still normal today. So be grateful for the “normal” monks who are out there in the world, but also encourage and help them to join the rare monasteries that support monastic life without money.

Are you surprised by these numbers? Did you learn something new? Leave a comment below. There are also a few other articles based on this topic of monastics and money below.

5 thoughts on “Percentage of Monks Who Do Not Use Money”

  1. Bhanthe, here it need to explain how to consider the usage of money and how not in terms of discipline. Because it doesn’t need to touch or transfer the money in any other way to violate the relevant precept. The text in pali is;
    (bhikkhu jātarūparajataṃ uggaṇheyya vā, uggaṇhāpeyya vā, upanikkhittaṃ vā sādiyeyya,.. etc)
    That’s there’re three sub terms here as follows;
    1. Taking money directly (by owing) in any method.
    2. Letting someone intend to take money.
    3. Consent to accept the money kept somewhere.
    4. There’s another precept to not use the money.
    So, it need to refrain from any act, speech or intentional involvement of paying/ accepting money in any method to observe this precept.
    Many monks who think and say that they refrain from using money are literally caught in using money by the terms of it. Mostly with the consent of letting accept or pay money by others. So, it’s not considered as not using money in vinaya.
    It has directly explained that, to refrain from “accepting or searching for money in any method”.
    And the main reasons for that observation is, if money allowed, then all sensual pleasures become allowed, which can lower the monkhood. Meanwhile, there’s mostly an unnoticed term said by the Buddha to allow monks to use “own money” (attano dhanena) to get food and other monk items which are not even allowed to request normally. This “attano dhana” has translated in commentaries as to exchange with “own stuff” of the monk. This’s a wrong interpreting of the word “dhana” and “attano dhanena” means clearly “by own money” and there’re no other meanings of it. So, the terms are not to “take, accept, seach or use” of money. Then how and what is “by own money” (attano dhanena) applied to monks.? It applies to the monks who have “own money” (attano dhanena). Some monks may have possess “inherit money or wealth” with their relatives or by law in connected to their lay-life, despite the renounciation when ordained. So, they have “attano dhana” (own money) which is away from the terms of using money and can have “allowed things or monks items” by a lay person who get it using “own money” of the monks. Without breaking terms of using money, ie taking, accepting, searching or using money by the monk. Otherwise there’s no point in the term of allowing “attano dhanena” means for the monks….

  2. Then [Maniculaka the headman] went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side. As he was sitting there he said to the Blessed One, “Just now, lord, when the king’s assembly had gathered and was sitting together in the royal palace, this topic of conversation arose: ‘Money is allowable for the Sakyan-son contemplatives. The Sakyan-son contemplatives consent to money. The Sakyan-son contemplatives accept money.’ When this was said, I said to them, ‘Don’t say that, masters. Money is not allowable for the Sakyan-son contemplatives. The Sakyan-son contemplatives do not consent to money. The Sakyan-son contemplatives do not accept money. The Sakyan-son contemplatives have given up gold & jewelry, have renounced money.’ And I was able to convince the assembly. Answering in this way, lord, am I speaking in line with what the Blessed One has said, am I not misrepresenting the Blessed One with what is unfactual, am I answering in line with the Dhamma so that no one whose thinking is in line with the Dhamma will have grounds for criticizing me?”
    “Yes, headman, in answering in this way you are speaking in line with what I have said, you are not misrepresenting me with what is unfactual, and you are answering in line with the Dhamma so that no one whose thinking is in line with the Dhamma will have grounds for criticizing you. For money is not allowable for the Sakyan-son contemplatives, the Sakyan-son contemplatives do not consent to money, the Sakyan-son contemplatives do not accept money, the Sakyan-son contemplatives have given up gold & jewelry, have renounced money. For anyone for whom money is allowable, the five strings of sensuality are also allowable. For anyone for whom the five strings of sensuality are allowable, money is allowable. That you can unequivocally recognize as not the quality of a contemplative, not the quality of a Sakyan son.
    “Now I do say that thatch may be sought for by one needing thatch, wood may be sought for by one needing wood, a cart may be sought for by one needing a cart, a workman may be sought for by one needing a workman, but by no means do I say that money may be consented to or sought for in any way at all.”

  3. Of course… “by no means be consented to or sought for money in any way at all.”
    Not to accept and search for money by any method. But the Buddha has allowed to get some stuff including food, robe and housing for “own money” (attano dhana) which do not need to accepted or sought in any way at all.
    A lay person can buy allowable stuff for monks and give without any consent or acceptance of monks’ regarding money.
    The same term applies when someone give money to a helper of monks to buy allowable stuff and give to monks. Then the monks won’t involve dealings of money at all.

    181. pañcagorasādianujānanā (Mv.VI.34.17)
    The allowance of the Five Products of the Cow
    … … … … …

    Then the Blessed One, having given a Dhamma talk with regard to this cause, to this incident, addressed the monks:
    “Monks, I allow the five products of a cow: milk, curds, buttermilk, butter, ghee. [BMC: 1 2]
    “There are badland roads with little water, little food. It is not easy to go along them without provisions for a journey.
    “I allow that provisions for a journey be sought out: husked rice by one who has need of husked rice, green gram by one who has need of green gram, black-eyed peas by one who has need of black-eyed peas, salt by one who has need of salt, sugar lumps by one who has need of sugar lumps, oil by one who has need of oil, ghee by one who has need of ghee. [BMC: 1 2]
    👉 “There are people of conviction and confidence who place gold & silver in the hands of stewards, (saying,) ‘Give the master whatever is allowable.’
    👉 “I allow that whatever is allowable coming from that be accepted. But in no way at all do I say that money is to be accepted or sought for.” [BMC]

  4. Ven. American Sumana

    Theruwan Saranai Bhante,

    Nice to hear that you are in Sri Lanka. One Nepalese monk from Pa-Auk Pyin Oo Lwin who is now a student at IIT is currently visiting Nissarana Vanaya or Meetirigala and he said that he knew you and informed me that you were staying at IIT. So your plan is to live here for the next six years and complete the program at IIT? Hope to see you here sometime. Please feel welcome to visit Nissarana Vanaya or Meetirigala sometime, this is likely the best forest meditation monastery that is closer to Colombo, and it is a Vinaya monastery (in the Galduwa Forest Tradition). Several monks at this monastery were either ordained at Na Uyana or have lived there before, including the vice abbot and main Vinaya teacher (at least for the foreign monks here) at Nissarana Vanaya, Ven. Panadure Chandaratana Thero.

    With mettā,

    Ven. American Sumana

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